My opinion, if abortion were made illegal then I do think there should be consequences to face…just like any other law that’s been broken. I find it funny that the people being interviewed don’t feel that way. Odd.
To jediwa 72. You said that if it was made illegal, there should be consequences to face, but you did not state what that consequence would be. Are you not being just like those people in the video? A woman’s body is her own right, her own decision. Please people, if you have an opinion, great, but look at the facts and do your research. Don’t place judgment. If you’re going to say something should be illegal, then back yourself up with a punishment/consequence, or you end up making a mockery of yourself.
wow! the murder arguement fails… unless unborn fetuses arenät worth as much as a child or adult being murdered.
My question … if a woman goes in to get an abortion, how could she not know she’s aborting the fetus (One of the women in the video said it depended on whether or not a woman KNEW …)
This mentality is so common because “demonstrators” are just that – people demonstrating strong distaste with a given issue. Very little logic is involved in activities like protesting; it is an emotional response.
Until someone can prove to me medically and neurologically that a first trimester fetus has any characteristics that define it undoubtedly as fully human, sentient and self-aware I will remain unmoved. “It’s murder” is not a scientific argument. I wish people would dig deeper rather than throw stones.
illegal abortions- a life has been taken its murder, manslaughter at least. As in all cases of murder the judge & facts are brought before the jury.
This is stupid. Those people on the video are stupid. Abortion should be illegal and if someone breaks that law you throw their ass in jail. Not that hard. There’s no reason to have an unwanted pregnancy. There’s tons of ways to protect yourself.
@Intelligence_Acrobat - Even if you do use every sort of protection you can get your hands on there is still a chance of pregnancy. The only way to be 100% safe against pregnancy is to not have sex and be careful fooling around when you’re doing anything else.
@Intelligence_Acrobat - There are several reasons that an unwanted pregnancy occurs. Incest, rape and mother/baby heath being at the top of the list. And yes, there are tons of ways to protect yourself, but each form of birth control, sans abstaining, is only so effective. Would I get an abortion? No. Do I think that we should lump each case for abortion into the same category? No.
@jewjewbeedragon - Well, I think with anything that would be up to judge and jury. Whether it be a fine or jail time. I didn’t even argue whether or not I agree or disagree with abortion…only that if it were illegal, just like with anything that is illegal…if the law is broken there should be some type of consequence to face.
@suggestivetongue - LOL, exactly what I was saying … you just type waaaaaaay faster
@suggestivetongue - Yeah right. If you use a codnem AND birth control you’re not going to get pregnant. The chances of that are like… 99.9999999999999999 and so on.
@Intelligence_Acrobat - But it does happen … my friend is actually pregnant right now, and they used multiple forms of birth control.
@BarelyJen -Yeah…of course you would know someone that’s happened to. Something tells me your ”friend” isn’t giving you the whole story.
@Intelligence_Acrobat - Why be so combative? I’m merely saying that it does happen and that I happen to know someone that is the .0000000000000001%.
“Oh, I hadn’t thought of that.” HAHAHA, this was too good.
@Intelligence_Acrobat - I’m going to have to disagree with you here. My aunt was using condoms and birth control and got pregnant with twins. Nothing is failsafe except abstinence.
As far as this goes—-I don’t see abortion becoming illegal…..so we won’t have to worry.
@BarelyJen - It just seems awfully coincidental that you know someone like that.
@Intelligence_Acrobat - That’s a very ignorant statement. Birth control fails, and you know one reason why it fails? Lack of education. If you’re SO adamant about reducing the number of abortions, why aren’t you pushing for widespread, readily available birth control and birth control education? Maybe then women would realize that things like alcohol, antibiotics, and time of day the pill is taken affect its effectiveness. Maybe then people would see that 3% chance of failure with condoms and decide to use a backup method.
To say that you can use condoms, birth control, and NEVER get pregnant….wow. Go read momaroo for a couple days, ha, or just type it into Google. It happens more than you’d expect. Unfortunately, I too know someone who that happened to – OF COURSE I do. It’s so convenient for my story, right? Oh yeah, because it actually happens, and that’s what I’m talking about. Funny how that works.
I think the demonstrators answers just prove that we rarely think about the women who are going in to have abortions. We don’t think about what led them to becoming unwantedly pregnant or what leads them to think that abortion is the best decision they can make for themselves. And then we don’t think about how they go on living after the fact. It seems to me that if young women grow up in loving homes being educated and supported and also being taught values about their bodies and safe sex in the first place we would eliminate a major portion of abortions. I hope I am able to teach my daughter what I wish I’d known when I began having sex for all the wrong reasons. I hope she knows that she has value and that sex is worth waiting for. And I hope she does wait to have sex until she is in a position in life where she is ready for one of the outcomes of sex…babies.
@whitetrashpoet - …you…you just proved my point for me. ??? I was just about to tell the other people the reasons why the people they know could’ve gotten pregnant… Good job. thank you so much.
@whitetrashpoet - oooh, we must know the one person that’s ever happened to in the history of the world …
@whitetrashpoet - Alcohol doesn’t actually changed the effectiveness of birth control. The worst it does its make people forget to take it lol
@Intelligence_Acrobat - are you serious with this shit? Check ur facts honey! You’re making yourself look like a dumbass!!!!
Good gosh. I can’t BELIEVE the level of IGNORANCE these people show.
Geez. It’s not your body it’s not your decision. I don’t like abortion either but I don’t judge people who do have them and I stay out of their business.
@BarelyJen - cause my previous sentence wasn’t plural or anything *shrugs* Abortion is wrong. It is the taking of a life. I’m not saying that the girls who do it are bad people, but if it becomes illegal there should be consequences. Abortion is also a sin. It says in the Bible that all sin is equal in the eyes of the lord. Having an abortion is no worse than telling a simple white lie to get out of biology class, but they system doesn’t see it that way. If you use protection and take care of your body, you won’t get pregnant. That is a fact. And we should take the advice of Traci Ladd, and at least try to wait for marriage. It’s not that hard. You girls write blogs all the time about how you get your hearts broken. This is ONE way you can help prevent that.
@Traci_Ladd - I agree… this is really well said. The people who are protesting abortions are only thinking about the potential-child, not the mother. The people in the video should ask themselves these questions and come up with valid answers to them if they want to really have a powerful opinion. Then again, if they were to actually research their side of the argument their argument would probably switch sides.
@Intelligence_Acrobat - You can’t use the bible as a valid point in an argument because not everyone is religious.
sheesh. i don’t know what they’re demonstrating for anyway. it’s not even a person until it can fend for itself, or speak at least. potential doesn’t give it rights.
@Intelligence_Acrobat - one more time….the only way to not get pregnant is to not have sex. The point of this video was to point out that people who are demonstrating against abortion are lacking a defense. Not whether or not abortion is right or wrong. I don’t care if you use a condom, foam, spermicide, birth control, cervical caps, and every other form of bc out there….you can still get pregnant. Yes…waiting until marriage is ideal. Remember that when you graduate high school and maybe go to college.
@Intelligence_Acrobat - Don’t bring the Bible into politics/law. The two do not mix.
@Intelligence_Acrobat - Darlin, wearing a condom and taking birth control isn’t going to keep your heart from being broken. And it is possible for women to get pregnant while using both, while rare, it’s possible. I agree that abortion should not be used as birth control..but your argument is weak since the possibility of pregnancy is there. Besides, what people were missing is the video didn’t even ask whether or not you agree or disagree with abortion. The question was….”If abortion were made illegal, do you feel that the women should have to face some sort of consequence?”
@Intelligence_Acrobat - Actually, I’m happily married and look forward to the day I have a child, so I’m not out to prevent it. And in most situations, I do believe that abortion is wrong, but I am not out to make it illegal. There are other avenues worth pursuing to decrease the amount of abortions performed, including abstinence awareness.
I think that you are very off base when you said “Having an abortion is no worse than telling a simple white lie to get out of biology class” … if that were the case, and if both were equally as illegal, should we put someone in jail for that little white lie? Does the punishment fit the crime? AND, back to my original point, there are different reasons for abortion—should a woman who was brutally raped be forced to keep the child or go to jail?
We all need to think beyond the “abortion is murder; it is bad” argument … this is not a black and white issue. Consider the gray areas.
@BarelyJen - Except that rape, incest and health of the mother/baby are NOT at the top of the list of why there are unwanted pregnancies/abortions. They are somewhere at the bottom 4%. The main reason there are unwanted pregnancies/abortions is because of no birth control or birth control failure, which is usually “failure to use correctly.” Therefore, abortion is being primarily used as a back-up form of birth control, a way to get rid of a “problem”. Yes, birth control can fail…it has happened to me, so I know that. The only way to prevent an unwanted pregnancy is to not fool around unless you are absolutely sure you are willing to accept the consequences of a baby in your life. Sometimes women act so surprised that they’re pregnant – it’s like they get the shock of their life. “Oh no, what will I do now??” Well, pregnancy is what happens when you have sex. It’s been happening for thousands of years.
And yes, if abortion becomes illegal, those who have abortions illegally should at least face manslaughter charges. If we can’t back up the “murdering the innocent” cry with consequences, what good does making it illegal do, other than making abortions more difficult to obtain?
@musicmom60 - “The main reason there are unwanted pregnancies/abortions is because of no birth control or birth control failure”
That’s why I think the first thing we need to do, both pro-’life’ and pro-’choice’ is educate about sex. Both the mechanics of it as well as how to use and get your hands on protection. That alone will drop the abortion rate dramatically.
maybe start with free birth control for everyone. free condoms. pills. spermicide. everything!
if its free people will come. no pun intended
@musicmom60 - I agree with most everything you said. As you said, no, rape, incest and health of the mother/baby aren’t at the top, but they should be considered when making a blanket mandate that the woman would be held on criminal charges. And what about the man that helped produce it? Would he be held responsible, or is it just her simply because the fetus is housed in her body?
Yes, birth control can and does fail, which is why I’m personally a proponent of abstinence first. Women and men need to be mindful of the very adult consequences of having sex (as you pointed out) … only then would the mainstream need for abortions be lessened.
If it is made illegal, then yes, they should be held accountable for the illegal action, but should it really get that far? It is a horrible choice to make, but it’s hers to make, not ours.
@BarelyJen - That is a fabulous point Jen. Why are the women held accountable for something men helped to create. It takes two!
WOW…this is a lot. But the thing is, from what i understand, making abortion illegal is basically saying that that as a society we don’t approve of this behavior. By making abortion illegal i think it would just make it harder to obtain. What consequence should be had? I don’t know, but if it is made illegal then i think the consequence will fall under the category that it is placed, if its murder then the consequence should be as those which would be granted in the case of murder.
I am not siding with any party on this. I honestly dont know how I feel about the legality of abortion. I dont agree with it (abortion), i wont support it, but that is me. Of course there are circumstances that one would think abortion should be allowed or even necessary and to an extent i do understand there position.
I have had a few friends that have had abortions and they have there reasons and honestly it dosnt matter if i agree or not. They are going to do what they want. But on the whole legality of it all, that part i am still unsure.
And to what you said above, I honestly don’t think it will ever get to the point of being illegal.
@SnippiesBlog - He could be the one pressuring her/paying for it … again, gray areas.
@CiaoBella810 - As far as when abortions should be allowed, I think there could be some positive work done there. Like, I don’t think anyone thinks it’s okay (or safe) for women to use abortions as birth control. AKA having lots of sex with no respect towards protection and then just getting an abortion if something happens. If there was some limit on the number of times you could have abortions within a certain amount of time that would probably help with that.
Most ppl outside of the medical professions are unaware of this, but somewhere between 40-60% of pregnancies are spontaneously aborted within the first few weeks. The woman is unaware that she was pregnant in the majority of cases, often experiencing nothing more than a heavier-than-normal menstrual discharge. My point is: God is the greatest abortionist of all. So spare me your bible arguments.
Instead of wasting all this time, energy, and effort trying to outlaw abortion and telling women what to do with their bodies, it seems to me that educating and spreading awareness would be a better use of our resources. Lowering the rate of abortions is something everyone can get behind. It’s not as if pro-choice ppl run around blithely getting abortions for their birthdays: it is a traumatic experience that nobody wants to have to go through. I’ve seen it. It’s often heartbreaking. But it’s their choice.
“If she knew she was killing the baby…” ??? WHAAAAAT?!
Ok, first of all. These people being interviewed are just IGNORANT as hell. These people can’t even come up with a punishment for something they are against. It sounds like to me that they think women have reasons for abortion that may actually justify one without punishment. So if they really truly believe that – then why the hell push to make it illegal? I know I’m just preaching to the choir here because Snippie, I’m sure you are pro-choice. These people just piss me off!
Oh, and this line kills me: “…go talk to Judge (whoever), she’s better informed than me…” ummm… then why the FUCK are you demonstrating!? And don’t even get me into the whole “cuz god called me to” … FUCK these people are stupid.
I don’t normally get so upset over something but the topic of abortion is one thing that really makes me hot.
@denigma21 - That statistic is true, and if I understood my doctor correctly, actually potentially higher than 60%.
@denigma21 - haha “just put it in the butt” — now that’s funny! And if I wasn’t so pissed after watching that video I would have said something smart like you did. Safe sex ed is EXACTLY what needs to be done. All of these people spend time and money on demonstrating AGAINST abortion but the fact is, even if it is made illegal, abortions are still going to happen. So why not teach people how to protect themselves, invest in birth controls that are affordable for low-income women … etc, etc. You hit it right on the nail.
Make insurance cover contraceptives, make sex education more available and more detailed, make adoption laws more stream-lined and provide healthcare for the mother to carry the baby to term.
That will cut down most abortions to rape, incest and health of mother. You can’t make it illegal to have an abortion but you CAN address the improper reasons to get one.
@blogrog - LOL, so I guess that would be anywhere from 2 years old to moving out of mamma’s basement at 40?
@SladeTheGreyFox - What’s really bad is when insurance companies cover viagra and not birth control. Lot’s of guys running around with hard-on’s and fertile unprotected women!
@suggestivetongue - Eh, my gynecologist was saying that depending on the level of alcohol in your system (like binge drinking) it can lessen the effects; it depends on a lot of things – time the pill is taken coupled with when the drinks are ingested, etc., but I don’t know – I figure it’s a decent possibility she’s right? Ha, I don’t know though.
@whitetrashpoet - The only two things I can think of are the forgetting to take it/taking it later thing like you said… or if you drink a lot, then take it, then throw up immediately afterwards so the hormones didn’t actually get a chance to get in your system.
@BarelyJen - Of course – because birth control NEVER fails, even when used exactly as directed! Except in that one case, one time.
What a woman does with her own body is none of your business. It starts with trying to control abortion, and if it succeeds, it will continue with trying to control other aspects of what you do with your own body – piercings, self-mutilation, McDonalds, dangerous sports, and jerking off are next on the list. What’s to stop someone from taking a flight out of the country and aborting their child there? Or committing suicide to avoid 18 years of raising a child as a single parent on minimum wage?
You aren’t solving any problems by banning abortion. You’re just reducing the liberty of the people who don’t think or believe in the your viewpoints in hopes that eventually you’ll end up with an entire nation of people who do. They tried that, back in the 30s and 40s - there was a man who was in fact very passionate about imposing his own beliefs onto people, and imprisoned those who opposed. You might have read about him – he spoke GERMAN.
Hate all you want.
@storyslut - exactly. and then there comes a time after a certain age too.
I think one of the main things here is abortion would be so hard to react to if it were illegal.
I mean, technically, if you get pregnant…the only one who knows is you, and possibly your pregnancy test. You could go overdose on drugs, or even certain vitamins, induce miscarriage, and ta-da! At home abortion – how does the government know? Your boyfriend could push you down the stairs. You could have your friend or your boyfriend stick a coathanger into your uterus.
How would they regulate it?
Would pregnancy tests be locked behind a counter, with a requirement to leave a valid photo ID and then the test need to be returned with their results? That would be a great imposition on women who DON’T want abortions.
Honestly, it just frightens me. I don’t want to live in a world where the government monitors my uterus and my sex life and my future pregnancy(ies?). I don’t ever want to get an abortion – I’ve decided this, and I stand by it. But I would NEVER take that right away…and I would never give up my rights as a woman to do so.
@suggestivetongue - Suppose that’s probably right. I think I’m going to have to research it, I’m intrigued now!
“Studies have shown that taking the birth control pill affects the way women’s bodies process alcohol, leading to higher blood alcohol concentrations (BAC) and intensifying the effects of intoxication. While alcohol has no direct effect on the birth control pill’s ability to prevent pregnancy, drinking it can indirectly decrease the pill’s effectiveness if it interferes with a woman’s ability to take the pill at approximately the same time each day or if it causes her to throw-up shortly after taking the pill. In general, alcohol can impair one’s ability to act prudently, be that responsibly taking daily medication such as the birth control pill, using a condom to prevent sexually transmitted infections (STIs), or choosing with whom and in what ways to become intimate.”
You were right! So maybe birth control affects alcohol – just got it reversed
Making abortion illegal is not the solution to the underlying problem. The problem is that there are far too many unwanted pregnancies happening out there. Fighting over whether or not abortion should be allowed is a huge waste of time. Why do people get abortions? You guessed it, unwanted pregnancy.
Instead of preventing a solution to the problem, we should be preventing the problem itself. What’s the leading cause for unwanted pregnancies? Unprotected sex. What’s the leading cause for unprotected sex other than alcohol (lord knows we’re never gonna ban drinking)? Lack of education.
How many people here have come across someone who’s thought you can get pregnant from having anal sex? If we don’t educate EVERYONE on the “how to’s” when it comes to sex, this problem will just keep on being a problem.
Ha, I love this. If it’s a crime, shouldn’t it be punishable? And if the best you got for it being illegal is “God’s called me here” then something’s wrong there. That goes for both abortion and gay marriage.
@Intelligence_Acrobat - actually my best friend is a result of failed contraceptive measures, as are 2 of his 3 siblings. Only 1 child out of the 4 was planned. Yes, contraception reduces the chances of inception greatly but it is not foolproof by any means
I ride the fence on this issue… Speaking from more of a common sense standpoint than a religious one, I think that every time a couple has sex they should understand and accept the consequences; we know that one penis plus one vagina equals the possibility of a pregnancy, so, to me, if you’re gonna do it, then you should accept what’s coming, even if you used protection and it failed. You made an adult decision to have sex, so I think you should be adult enough to accept the baby. If you can’t handle a child right now and you know it, then don’t make one. As someone already stated here, the solution isn’t in fixing abortion, it’s in fixing unwanted pregnancies.
On the subject of rape and suchlike, those are traumatizing experiences and I understand that the weight of a child is a lot to bear after experiencing something like that. It is, therefor, a harder call to make. In either case I would strongly recommend that the mother at least considered adoption, but, as the argument stands, it is her choice. I do think that in some circumstances (obviously not in the case of rape) the father should have a say as well, but that’s an argument for another day.
I’m not one to judge those who decide to have abortions, but I just feel that there’s a common sense answer. I’ve been dating my GF for three years now, and we both hold the same opinion; if she were to become pregnant right now, then that would be that, we’d be having a baby. For that reason I’ve been keeping it in my pants because we DON’T want a baby right now and that’s the only method that truly works.
So basically, when it comes down to it, I’m not really up for abortion as a form of birth control; I find that a bit irresponsible and I think there are better alternatives. That being said, I also don’t agree with Obama’s “punished with a child” ideal.
As for the demonstrators… I don’t really think this is a cut and dry, “right or wrong” topic where one side needs to win over the other… I’ve been on the religious side of these arguments before, so I know what it’s like, but the reality is that it simply isn’t as easy as “because God said so.” I respect religious folk for trying to make a difference, but I think they should find a way that’s actually effective… Demonstrating really doesn’t prove anything, it just makes people out to look like annoying assholes, much like the folks in the vid.
Just a few of my thoughts.
@Soul_Pizza - Wow, if only all guys were as responsible as you are. I bet the abortion rate would drop by half over night. Srsly!
Did no one think this through? “Let’s make it illegal!!! WOOO!!!!!” So what if they did make it illegal, and since they love to call it murder, it gets called murder. So then in certain states they government could take your life. Hmm, I think that really solves some problems. As for some of these people that are saying, “nothing should happen to them,” “we should pray for them,” and “I hope they would feel sorry;” so why make it illegal. Pray for the woman get abortions, hope they feel sorry, or just do nothing about it. Same out come and less work for you now. You can put down they sign and go home. Maybe find a new hobby, something more productive that you’ll actually think through. Because I mean really the less people holding up those signs that could potential tramatize a child, and lead to some conversations that no one really wants to have that early, the better. I’m sorry but I’m pro-choice and I’m also pro-not exposing my daughter to gore for the sake of your shock value.
Anyway this video really proves people need to think things out before they go demonstrating in the streets. Also some of the comments here have been awesome. I could write more in this comment but it’s going to slowly turn into a mini-blog.
One thing I have to add in, as for the abstinence argument. There is more than one reason to have sex. I’m married and I have a 3 year old daughter. I absolutely do not want more children. I use birth control, I set an alarm so I take it at the same time every day. I’m very careful. Though if I would end up pregnant I’d have a choice to make. I’m a little bothered by the idea that just because I don’t think I could emotionally handle another pregnancy (I have some problems) that I should not have sex with my husband until I feel that I am emotionally and financially ready for another child. Not all abortions are coming horny teenagers and that needs to be taken into account.
Abstinence is the only 100% fail safe way to not getting pregnant. I know I’m lucky to be married and to know that an abortion will never be in my plans. I have to trust that the gov’t/society will make the right decision when it comes to abortion. I have a friend with a daughter who was pregnant. The daughter didn’t know she was pregnant. She still had her monthlies. My friend wanted her daughter to have an abortion. Her daughter was 15 and a freshman in high school. Fortunately, her daughter was 5 months pregnant when they found out. An abortion was not an option. My parents talked to me about sex in junior high/high school. I was allowed to ask questions. I believe it is important to have these discussions with your children.
women, their own body; let them choose.
Saying no “you must have this child because you had sex,” is asking for trouble. Who thinks it moral for a preggo 16 year to have a child and drop out of high school? How about an immature single 20 year old clubbing and maybe pulling herself though college? Poor lower class groups in neighborhoods where they can’t afford to bring home a days worth of meal? Or even poor class who already has 4 other kids they can’t afford? Middle class couples recently married who don’t have enough money to pay for a full half years apartmet yet? Couples who work 12 hours a day each, whether they have money or not and know they won’t be home to raise a child or even won’t get more then a few weeks off for maturnaty leave? Working women who don’t have time or energy to care for a baby yet in their lives? Women who find out their child will grow up with various learnig disabilites and sickness?Like down syndrom and other mental retardations? Women who find out they might be fataly ill and won’t live much longer after their child is born? Women who are young enough to still go out and find someone and get a job and finish school and make something of themselves and find out “opps i got pregant”?
In most cases of women who have mentally retared children, those women tend to be the only person who will be there for the child while they grow up, the mother. But guess what happens when the parent dies? Unless they are rich and have a health care taker to take over the child or some family memeber who has decidated their live to caring for this child who never develops enough to care for themsevles, no one is going to look after this person.
Got to love people and their failed sense of logic. Thanks for sharing the vid.
Great video.
And to think, all this time wasted standing on the side of the road with wishy-washy logic they could be taking care of some of the children lost in the Foster Care system.
When all the children HERE NOW are taken care of, then I’ll consider worrying about the ones who aren’t.
I’m no anti-abortion demonstrator but I am against abortion. Some people say a fetus is not human, then what is it? Some people consider it an accident. But isn’t sexual intercourse the process people create other people?
While others use it when they find out the child is not normal and use the reason that ‘they’ll only suffer when they’re older’. Yet we see retarded kids happier than the normal ones.
Why abortion?…
When there are couples and families out there just dying to have children but can’t.
I believe that it should be illegal. It is not even euthanasia, it’s just murder. Put them in correctional facilities on that charge, same for the doctors and their licenses off the window. Somehow this video doesn’t seem to show the people who actually HAS answers to a damn easy question, though.
very interesting. It’s funny how NONE of them thought about it. I would probably stop having sex until marriage if abortion became illegal….hey isn’t that what they are trying to get at??
If abortions were made illegal, I think there should be a fine to pay for getting one. That would be the punishment.
I would ask those anti choicers who say that adoption is a solution to unwanted pregnancy if they themselves are willing to adopt any children. Because who will take care of all of them hm? Children’s homes are quite crowded and it’s not the best way how to raise kids. I can’t imagine where would they go if all the aborted fetuses were forced to be carried to term and born. Plus of course it doesn’t solve the problem of unwanted pregnancy and birth, which still turn a woman’s life upside down even if she’s not going to raise the child.
I am pro-choice all the way because a fetus has no right to intrude a bodily domain of a woman who doesn’t want it to be in her body and drain it. And I refuse to give a fetus more rights than to a fully developped thinking and feeling person.
@cerebralsailor - The couples that want to adopt are apparently still fewer than there are unwanted children, otherwise why would so many of the children have to stay in the children’s homes till their adulthood and never be adopted in a family? I and no one of pro-choicers think that abortions are fun and great. but professional and medically relatively safe abortions are the response to the sad reality of our world. If unwanted pregnancies never occured, abortions weren’t needed. But they do occur. And some girls or women truly are desperete and hating their fetus so much that they WILL do anything to get rid of it.
idiots..lol…and have they ever considered pregnancy from raping? should they have the child they never wanted and was laid upon illegally?? should they be punished too? how bout failed contraception? i think its just a moral line you have to draw withing yourself. its not something the goverment can have total control of…its a personal matter.
@cerebralsailor - guess where the correcttional facilities funds are going to come from, tax. guess where the doctors and nurses already on short supply come from? the main hospital..
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there are counselors all ready for this….why pay for more for something thats already there? women getting abortions are already suffering more than they should, with failing contraceptions, rape, and women who just cant afford/not fit to have children why put more pressure on them??i know abortion is a very very difficult decision to do. a fetus is a human, but it would not have any thoughts until they develop a full brain which is pass the 9 months stage. babies brains contain very small amounts of intelligence, theyre intelligence grows as they grow….abortion as a contraception is wrong, but so is taking away someones right to make a CHOICE in their life.
besides, have you ever thought why people think theres a huge rise in abortions? its because theres more people getting pregnant nowadays thinking contraception can protect you from everything, more people registering and making numbers (instead of doing it in the olden days when it was illegal), rape and underaged children making mistakes in an adult world( with more sexual predators around),and women not being properly educated about the facts of contraception and abortions.
@Intelligence_Acrobat - Ok, you want to be condescending. My “wife” was on the pill and I used a condom and yet we have a beautiful 5 year old girl. Or am I lying about that too, cuz, you know us pro-Choicers, bunch of lying bastards.
Let me start by saying I believe Roe V. Wade should be upheld and abortion should remain safe and legal.
I posted this same video a few months back. People in the video say that they hope the woman would repent and that God would be the one to decide what happened to them. Well… isn’t that how it is already? If there is a god and he views abortion as murder, then the woman will already have to deal with her higher power on that issue. Since when do we make laws and then just let the person off with no earthly consequence if they break said law?
If abortion were to ever be made illegal, I imagine it would do so under the idea that it’s the taking of a life. That’s what people are arguing it is, correct? And our punishment for taking of a life is jail, sometimes for a lifetime, and sometimes death. That’s the harsh reality that abortion protestors often don’t understand. Or it just proves that the protestors, for the most part, don’t really think through what they’re asking government to do. Yes people, if you legislate against abortion, and a 13 year old girl goes and gets an abortion, you are then going to have to follow through with the law and throw that girl in jail (or juvenile detention).
@Intelligence_Acrobat - Frankly, this insistence on taking choices away from people befuddles me. You can thank your lucky stars that you have not had to make a tough choice, but not everyone is that lucky. And if you think that most unwanted pregnancies are a result of negligence or promiscuity on the part of the woman, you are dead wrong. Check this out:
I was raised Pro-Life. Throughout most of my life, I believed that abortion should be illegal, for no reason other than “It’s murder.” But people always raised the question “Well, what if some gets raped?” and I can honestly say that I never had a good answer. So for awhile, I thought that abortion should be illegal in the cases of rape or incest. But there’s truly no fool-proof way to prove or disprove a rape charge 100% of the time. So over the last few years, I have come to realize that I am pro-life. My personal opinion is that if you’re having sex, then you should be very aware of the possible consequences and take as much precaution as you can. Honestly, if someoen gets pregnant, whether they were being careful or not, I feel like it’s wrong to just “erase” their mistake. I know plenty of people who have gotten abortions and I don’t think badly of them as people for it. I just feel like it’s irresponsible. Maybe I’m just a bit more conservative then I’d like to admit. But I’ve been guilty of using Plan B. Yeah, it was $60 that I didn’t really have to spend, but as my best friend warned me “Sixty dollars is a hell of a lot cheaper than a college education.” And I certainly could never bring myself to get an abortion. Anyway, I’ll be the first to admit that I’m not educated on the subject. It’s not so much that I think abortion is wrong as I don’t think it’s right. Does that make sense?
How hard is it to say that they should face jail time just like any other murderer? People should think before they go protest. Seriously.
@Intelligence_Acrobat - so what do you do when all of the orphanages fill up because we couldn’t have abortions? let’s just put those babies on the streets to fend for themselves, okay?
@Made2sing4Jesus - I agree…if abortions were made illegal then breaking that law should have a consequence. (I’ll probably get flamed for this) but I think that it should be treated the same as first degree murder and have the repercussions as such. But I also believe that before abortion can be made illegal, we have to have a complete education system in place that will not only educate everyone about all birth control options but all the available options about dealing with an unexpected pregnancy as well.
@blogrog - Would you feel the same way if you were that unborn baby and your mom decided to abort you? I guess it wouldn’t matter what you thought about it because you couldn’t tell anyone.
@Millsanicole - Not everyone who protests abortion lacks a defense, this video only shows a small percentage of those who disagree with abortion. Please do not lump us all in to the same group.
@SnippiesBlog - If it was the woman who made the choice alone, then she is the one who should be punished. If both the woman and the man made the choice to abort, then they both should be punished. There are many times that a woman gets pregnant and then aborts without ever telling the man that a baby was made in the first place. (This happened to my ex with his first wife. The only reason he found that he could have been a father was from his mother in law telling him after the fact).
@Blue_Dragon_Designs - My purpose wasn’t to lump all those against abortion into a defenseless category. I was merely addressing the video which is what this blog was about IMO. I apologize for the confusion. )
@Blue_Dragon_Designs - Well, exactly. That’s one of the reasons why I see speech as a requirement for personhood. If it can’t talk, how can it be considered a person? It hasn’t yet developed one of the main characteristics that set us apart from the dogs and the apes.
This video is just hilarious. I think a lot of people have made great points already- so many of which I agree with. How can you possibly punish a woman who’s had an abortion with something like manslaughter? I mean, really- that’s just flat out stupid. Everyone’s idea of when life begins is different, so how in the world would you regulate a punishment when there’s no science to back it up? Get your religion out of my government already.. This idea of ‘abstinence only’ is ideological at best- we’re human- we’re hard wired to desire sex. I agree that people should be prepared for any outcome, but I also believe that choice should ALWAYS be available too. I couldn’t agree more with all the people who stressed sex education (abstinence only education is bullshit. Period.) and readily available contraception. Parents need to make a more active attempt to inform their children as well- they shouldn’t rely totally on schools or friends to inform their children.
I know as far as my daughter and son are concerned, I fully plan on teaching them all the things I never knew- specifically all the science behind pregnancy. Health class never mentioned that sperm survives 5 days in the uterus after sex- my parents never explained ovulation or how my body worked. I think it’s imparative that we educate our kids about -everything- not just penis+vagina=baby/STD’s.. that was the only formula I was ever given, and there’s SO much more kids need to know. I also plan on showing them both pictures of people with various STD’s (a penis that looks like a cauliflower was enough to make me always pull out a condom and make him put it on)… It’s reality and our kids need to know this isn’t something to take lightly.
@Blue_Dragon_Designs - You’re under the assumption that the lump of cells we’re speaking of is a ‘baby’- just because the potential is there doesn’t make it so. Miscarriages happen at every stage of pregnancy, and until it’s viable outside of the womb, I can’t understand how one can claim it’s a ‘baby’… there’s zero viability at these stages, so what’s the difference between ‘God’ choosing to abort it (ie, a miscarriage) and a woman choosing to? Couldn’t she also be doing ‘God’s will’ with her choice? The fact is, religion is not reason, and it’s always flawed because it’s based in nothing but belief. Give facts and others might be more ready to listen.
for anti abortion demonstraitors they dont really seem to know much about the subject
I’ve seen those people standing along the road. Their pictures are so disgusting!!!!!!!
I’m anti-abortion (unless the mother’s life is in danger), but they gave some weird answers.
I will probably be stating the same thing that many others have already stated, but this is how I really feel on the subject. I am not one for abortion, but I am not against it either. I know that if I were to get pregnant from my own fault I would keep the baby, or if I were to get pregnant from rape I would either keep it or put it up for adoption. Also, if my life were in danger due to a pregnancy I would abort it. I don’t believe that every woman should have that same frame of mind, and I don’t think that every woman should be forced to suffer through a pregnancy that wasn’t her fault such as rape, or possible death due to a health problem. Every woman has her reasons for having an abortion, and that is something she must decide for herself, not anyone else. I know a few women who have had abortions because they say they couldn’t afford a baby right now, or they didn’t have the time for one now. I don’t agree with them, but again, its not my decision and I will not try to persuade a woman to think otherwise. My mother told me she had an abortion before I was ever born and I don’t think any less of her. She felt she had to go through with it, and in her mind she made the right decision. It’s a tough decision and, it is a tough thing to deal with after wards.
As for the video, I don’t think it should be made illegal and I don’t think action should be taken at all. I’m sure that if it were to be made illegal that many women will probably be ‘falling down the stairs’, or doing something careless to their bodies to get rid of the baby. Either way, the mother will have to suffer in the end if it is made illegal.
@bethechangeyouwish2see - I never really knew sperm could survive in the uterus for five days. That’s something new I’ve learned. As far as you teaching your children the way you planned out, I think it is very good to do that. A co-worker of mine told me once that she made her two oldest daughters watch her give birth to her fourth child.. Needless to say she scared them a bit, and both of her daughters are a bit more aware of what goes on in birth other than all the happy stuff. Education is way important and when I have children, I plan to teach them everything about it as well, but I don’t think I will scare them the way my co-worker scared her daughters.
Wow. That was quite the video.
Strong beliefs are one thing, but they’re not going to change any minds if they haven’t done the research and thought ahead to what their alternatives would be.
I hard to pick one solid stance and stick to it when there are so many different factors and scenarios.
@blogrog - If speech is a requirment for personhood, where does that leave the deaf or those born with out the ability to speak due to deformities?
@Blue_Dragon_Designs - I’m not sure about the deaf. Some of them can talk. That might be a grey area. But as for deformities, that’s why it’s considered a potential person earlier on. It has the potential for personhood, but no guarantee that it will ever develop all of the essential characteristics.
Thanks
wow. This video was interesting. I’m not even going to get into the argument here but wow…
HAHAHAHAHA OMG this was great.
i love the lady at the end who outright stated she wasn’t well informed.
I have a solution! Don’t have sex until you’re ready to accept the consequences. Simple as that.
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Substance is lacking in their arguments …
HAHAHAHA, thank you…
My opinion, if abortion were made illegal then I do think there should be consequences to face…just like any other law that’s been broken. I find it funny that the people being interviewed don’t feel that way. Odd.
@jediwa72 - agreed. I don’t see the dilemma.
To jediwa 72. You said that if it was made illegal, there should be consequences to face, but you did not state what that consequence would be. Are you not being just like those people in the video? A woman’s body is her own right, her own decision. Please people, if you have an opinion, great, but look at the facts and do your research. Don’t place judgment. If you’re going to say something should be illegal, then back yourself up with a punishment/consequence, or you end up making a mockery of yourself.
wow! the murder arguement fails… unless unborn fetuses arenät worth as much as a child or adult being murdered.
@jewjewbeedragon - ur awesome!
My question … if a woman goes in to get an abortion, how could she not know she’s aborting the fetus (One of the women in the video said it depended on whether or not a woman KNEW …)
This mentality is so common because “demonstrators” are just that – people demonstrating strong distaste with a given issue. Very little logic is involved in activities like protesting; it is an emotional response.
Until someone can prove to me medically and neurologically that a first trimester fetus has any characteristics that define it undoubtedly as fully human, sentient and self-aware I will remain unmoved. “It’s murder” is not a scientific argument. I wish people would dig deeper rather than throw stones.
@jewjewbeedragon - Agreed.
illegal abortions- a life has been taken its murder, manslaughter at least. As in all cases of murder the judge & facts are brought before the jury.
This is stupid. Those people on the video are stupid. Abortion should be illegal and if someone breaks that law you throw their ass in jail. Not that hard. There’s no reason to have an unwanted pregnancy. There’s tons of ways to protect yourself.
@Intelligence_Acrobat - Even if you do use every sort of protection you can get your hands on there is still a chance of pregnancy. The only way to be 100% safe against pregnancy is to not have sex and be careful fooling around when you’re doing anything else.
@Intelligence_Acrobat - There are several reasons that an unwanted pregnancy occurs. Incest, rape and mother/baby heath being at the top of the list. And yes, there are tons of ways to protect yourself, but each form of birth control, sans abstaining, is only so effective. Would I get an abortion? No. Do I think that we should lump each case for abortion into the same category? No.
@jewjewbeedragon - Well, I think with anything that would be up to judge and jury. Whether it be a fine or jail time. I didn’t even argue whether or not I agree or disagree with abortion…only that if it were illegal, just like with anything that is illegal…if the law is broken there should be some type of consequence to face.
@suggestivetongue - LOL, exactly what I was saying … you just type waaaaaaay faster
@suggestivetongue - Yeah right. If you use a codnem AND birth control you’re not going to get pregnant. The chances of that are like… 99.9999999999999999 and so on.
@Intelligence_Acrobat - But it does happen … my friend is actually pregnant right now, and they used multiple forms of birth control.
@BarelyJen -Yeah…of course you would know someone that’s happened to. Something tells me your ”friend” isn’t giving you the whole story.
@Intelligence_Acrobat - I’ve heard of it happening numerous times.
@Intelligence_Acrobat - Why be so combative? I’m merely saying that it does happen and that I happen to know someone that is the .0000000000000001%.
“Oh, I hadn’t thought of that.” HAHAHA, this was too good.
@Intelligence_Acrobat - I’m going to have to disagree with you here. My aunt was using condoms and birth control and got pregnant with twins. Nothing is failsafe except abstinence.
As far as this goes—-I don’t see abortion becoming illegal…..so we won’t have to worry.
@BarelyJen - It just seems awfully coincidental that you know someone like that.
@Intelligence_Acrobat - That’s a very ignorant statement. Birth control fails, and you know one reason why it fails? Lack of education. If you’re SO adamant about reducing the number of abortions, why aren’t you pushing for widespread, readily available birth control and birth control education? Maybe then women would realize that things like alcohol, antibiotics, and time of day the pill is taken affect its effectiveness. Maybe then people would see that 3% chance of failure with condoms and decide to use a backup method.
To say that you can use condoms, birth control, and NEVER get pregnant….wow. Go read momaroo for a couple days, ha, or just type it into Google. It happens more than you’d expect. Unfortunately, I too know someone who that happened to – OF COURSE I do. It’s so convenient for my story, right?
Oh yeah, because it actually happens, and that’s what I’m talking about. Funny how that works.
I think the demonstrators answers just prove that we rarely think about the women who are going in to have abortions. We don’t think about what led them to becoming unwantedly pregnant or what leads them to think that abortion is the best decision they can make for themselves. And then we don’t think about how they go on living after the fact. It seems to me that if young women grow up in loving homes being educated and supported and also being taught values about their bodies and safe sex in the first place we would eliminate a major portion of abortions. I hope I am able to teach my daughter what I wish I’d known when I began having sex for all the wrong reasons. I hope she knows that she has value and that sex is worth waiting for. And I hope she does wait to have sex until she is in a position in life where she is ready for one of the outcomes of sex…babies.
@whitetrashpoet - …you…you just proved my point for me. ??? I was just about to tell the other people the reasons why the people they know could’ve gotten pregnant… Good job. thank you so much.
@whitetrashpoet - oooh, we must know the one person that’s ever happened to in the history of the world …
@whitetrashpoet - Alcohol doesn’t actually changed the effectiveness of birth control. The worst it does its make people forget to take it lol
@Intelligence_Acrobat - are you serious with this shit? Check ur facts honey! You’re making yourself look like a dumbass!!!!
Good gosh. I can’t BELIEVE the level of IGNORANCE these people show.
Geez. It’s not your body it’s not your decision. I don’t like abortion either but I don’t judge people who do have them and I stay out of their business.
@Traci_Ladd - Very well said
@BarelyJen - cause my previous sentence wasn’t plural or anything *shrugs* Abortion is wrong. It is the taking of a life. I’m not saying that the girls who do it are bad people, but if it becomes illegal there should be consequences. Abortion is also a sin. It says in the Bible that all sin is equal in the eyes of the lord. Having an abortion is no worse than telling a simple white lie to get out of biology class, but they system doesn’t see it that way. If you use protection and take care of your body, you won’t get pregnant. That is a fact. And we should take the advice of Traci Ladd, and at least try to wait for marriage. It’s not that hard. You girls write blogs all the time about how you get your hearts broken. This is ONE way you can help prevent that.
@Traci_Ladd - I agree… this is really well said. The people who are protesting abortions are only thinking about the potential-child, not the mother. The people in the video should ask themselves these questions and come up with valid answers to them if they want to really have a powerful opinion. Then again, if they were to actually research their side of the argument their argument would probably switch sides.
@Intelligence_Acrobat - You can’t use the bible as a valid point in an argument because not everyone is religious.
sheesh. i don’t know what they’re demonstrating for anyway. it’s not even a person until it can fend for itself, or speak at least. potential doesn’t give it rights.
@Intelligence_Acrobat - one more time….the only way to not get pregnant is to not have sex. The point of this video was to point out that people who are demonstrating against abortion are lacking a defense. Not whether or not abortion is right or wrong. I don’t care if you use a condom, foam, spermicide, birth control, cervical caps, and every other form of bc out there….you can still get pregnant. Yes…waiting until marriage is ideal. Remember that when you graduate high school and maybe go to college.
@Intelligence_Acrobat - Don’t bring the Bible into politics/law. The two do not mix.
@Intelligence_Acrobat - Darlin, wearing a condom and taking birth control isn’t going to keep your heart from being broken. And it is possible for women to get pregnant while using both, while rare, it’s possible. I agree that abortion should not be used as birth control..but your argument is weak since the possibility of pregnancy is there. Besides, what people were missing is the video didn’t even ask whether or not you agree or disagree with abortion. The question was….”If abortion were made illegal, do you feel that the women should have to face some sort of consequence?”
@Intelligence_Acrobat - Actually, I’m happily married and look forward to the day I have a child, so I’m not out to prevent it. And in most situations, I do believe that abortion is wrong, but I am not out to make it illegal. There are other avenues worth pursuing to decrease the amount of abortions performed, including abstinence awareness.
I think that you are very off base when you said “Having an abortion is no worse than telling a simple white lie to get out of biology class” … if that were the case, and if both were equally as illegal, should we put someone in jail for that little white lie? Does the punishment fit the crime? AND, back to my original point, there are different reasons for abortion—should a woman who was brutally raped be forced to keep the child or go to jail?
We all need to think beyond the “abortion is murder; it is bad” argument … this is not a black and white issue. Consider the gray areas.
@suggestivetongue - Beat me to it. Nice response.
@BarelyJen - Except that rape, incest and health of the mother/baby are NOT at the top of the list of why there are unwanted pregnancies/abortions. They are somewhere at the bottom 4%. The main reason there are unwanted pregnancies/abortions is because of no birth control or birth control failure, which is usually “failure to use correctly.” Therefore, abortion is being primarily used as a back-up form of birth control, a way to get rid of a “problem”. Yes, birth control can fail…it has happened to me, so I know that. The only way to prevent an unwanted pregnancy is to not fool around unless you are absolutely sure you are willing to accept the consequences of a baby in your life. Sometimes women act so surprised that they’re pregnant – it’s like they get the shock of their life. “Oh no, what will I do now??” Well, pregnancy is what happens when you have sex. It’s been happening for thousands of years.
And yes, if abortion becomes illegal, those who have abortions illegally should at least face manslaughter charges. If we can’t back up the “murdering the innocent” cry with consequences, what good does making it illegal do, other than making abortions more difficult to obtain?
@musicmom60 - “The main reason there are unwanted pregnancies/abortions is because of no birth control or birth control failure”
That’s why I think the first thing we need to do, both pro-’life’ and pro-’choice’ is educate about sex. Both the mechanics of it as well as how to use and get your hands on protection. That alone will drop the abortion rate dramatically.
maybe start with free birth control for everyone. free condoms. pills. spermicide. everything!
if its free people will come. no pun intended
@musicmom60 - I agree with most everything you said. As you said, no, rape, incest and health of the mother/baby aren’t at the top, but they should be considered when making a blanket mandate that the woman would be held on criminal charges. And what about the man that helped produce it? Would he be held responsible, or is it just her simply because the fetus is housed in her body?
Yes, birth control can and does fail, which is why I’m personally a proponent of abstinence first. Women and men need to be mindful of the very adult consequences of having sex (as you pointed out) … only then would the mainstream need for abortions be lessened.
If it is made illegal, then yes, they should be held accountable for the illegal action, but should it really get that far? It is a horrible choice to make, but it’s hers to make, not ours.
@suggestivetongue -
@BarelyJen - That is a fabulous point Jen. Why are the women held accountable for something men helped to create. It takes two!
WOW…this is a lot. But the thing is, from what i understand, making abortion illegal is basically saying that that as a society we don’t approve of this behavior. By making abortion illegal i think it would just make it harder to obtain. What consequence should be had? I don’t know, but if it is made illegal then i think the consequence will fall under the category that it is placed, if its murder then the consequence should be as those which would be granted in the case of murder.
I am not siding with any party on this. I honestly dont know how I feel about the legality of abortion. I dont agree with it (abortion), i wont support it, but that is me. Of course there are circumstances that one would think abortion should be allowed or even necessary and to an extent i do understand there position.
I have had a few friends that have had abortions and they have there reasons and honestly it dosnt matter if i agree or not. They are going to do what they want. But on the whole legality of it all, that part i am still unsure.
@BarelyJen -
And to what you said above, I honestly don’t think it will ever get to the point of being illegal.
@SnippiesBlog - He could be the one pressuring her/paying for it … again, gray areas.
@CiaoBella810 - As far as when abortions should be allowed, I think there could be some positive work done there. Like, I don’t think anyone thinks it’s okay (or safe) for women to use abortions as birth control. AKA having lots of sex with no respect towards protection and then just getting an abortion if something happens. If there was some limit on the number of times you could have abortions within a certain amount of time that would probably help with that.
@suggestivetongue - I hope not!!
@suggestivetongue - i agree
Most ppl outside of the medical professions are unaware of this, but somewhere between 40-60% of pregnancies are spontaneously aborted within the first few weeks. The woman is unaware that she was pregnant in the majority of cases, often experiencing nothing more than a heavier-than-normal menstrual discharge. My point is: God is the greatest abortionist of all. So spare me your bible arguments.
Instead of wasting all this time, energy, and effort trying to outlaw abortion and telling women what to do with their bodies, it seems to me that educating and spreading awareness would be a better use of our resources. Lowering the rate of abortions is something everyone can get behind. It’s not as if pro-choice ppl run around blithely getting abortions for their birthdays: it is a traumatic experience that nobody wants to have to go through. I’ve seen it. It’s often heartbreaking. But it’s their choice.
100% pregnancy proof: just put it in the butt.
@denigma21 - Thank you! Well said
@denigma21 - great insight…don’t know how i feel about that butt thing though…LOL
I forget who showed me this video, but I saw it for the first time about a year ago. It makes a valid point.
This has turned into quite the spirited and good conversation.
@denigma21 - fabulously well-put!
“If she knew she was killing the baby…” ??? WHAAAAAT?!
Ok, first of all. These people being interviewed are just IGNORANT as hell. These people can’t even come up with a punishment for something they are against. It sounds like to me that they think women have reasons for abortion that may actually justify one without punishment. So if they really truly believe that – then why the hell push to make it illegal? I know I’m just preaching to the choir here because Snippie, I’m sure you are pro-choice. These people just piss me off!
Oh, and this line kills me: “…go talk to Judge (whoever), she’s better informed than me…” ummm… then why the FUCK are you demonstrating!? And don’t even get me into the whole “cuz god called me to” … FUCK these people are stupid.
I don’t normally get so upset over something but the topic of abortion is one thing that really makes me hot.
@denigma21 - That statistic is true, and if I understood my doctor correctly, actually potentially higher than 60%.
@denigma21 - haha “just put it in the butt” — now that’s funny! And if I wasn’t so pissed after watching that video I would have said something smart like you did. Safe sex ed is EXACTLY what needs to be done. All of these people spend time and money on demonstrating AGAINST abortion but the fact is, even if it is made illegal, abortions are still going to happen. So why not teach people how to protect themselves, invest in birth controls that are affordable for low-income women … etc, etc. You hit it right on the nail.
Make insurance cover contraceptives, make sex education more available and more detailed, make adoption laws more stream-lined and provide healthcare for the mother to carry the baby to term.
That will cut down most abortions to rape, incest and health of mother. You can’t make it illegal to have an abortion but you CAN address the improper reasons to get one.
@blogrog - LOL, so I guess that would be anywhere from 2 years old to moving out of mamma’s basement at 40?
@SladeTheGreyFox - What’s really bad is when insurance companies cover viagra and not birth control. Lot’s of guys running around with hard-on’s and fertile unprotected women!
@suggestivetongue - Eh, my gynecologist was saying that depending on the level of alcohol in your system (like binge drinking) it can lessen the effects; it depends on a lot of things – time the pill is taken coupled with when the drinks are ingested, etc., but I don’t know – I figure it’s a decent possibility she’s right? Ha, I don’t know though.
@whitetrashpoet - The only two things I can think of are the forgetting to take it/taking it later thing like you said… or if you drink a lot, then take it, then throw up immediately afterwards so the hormones didn’t actually get a chance to get in your system.
@BarelyJen - Of course – because birth control NEVER fails, even when used exactly as directed! Except in that one case, one time.
What a woman does with her own body is none of your business. It starts with trying to control abortion, and if it succeeds, it will continue with trying to control other aspects of what you do with your own body – piercings, self-mutilation, McDonalds, dangerous sports, and jerking off are next on the list. What’s to stop someone from taking a flight out of the country and aborting their child there? Or committing suicide to avoid 18 years of raising a child as a single parent on minimum wage?
You aren’t solving any problems by banning abortion. You’re just reducing the liberty of the people who don’t think or believe in the your viewpoints in hopes that eventually you’ll end up with an entire nation of people who do. They tried that, back in the 30s and 40s - there was a man who was in fact very passionate about imposing his own beliefs onto people, and imprisoned those who opposed. You might have read about him – he spoke GERMAN.
Hate all you want.
@storyslut - exactly. and then there comes a time after a certain age too.
I think one of the main things here is abortion would be so hard to react to if it were illegal.
I mean, technically, if you get pregnant…the only one who knows is you, and possibly your pregnancy test. You could go overdose on drugs, or even certain vitamins, induce miscarriage, and ta-da! At home abortion – how does the government know? Your boyfriend could push you down the stairs. You could have your friend or your boyfriend stick a coathanger into your uterus.
How would they regulate it?
Would pregnancy tests be locked behind a counter, with a requirement to leave a valid photo ID and then the test need to be returned with their results?
That would be a great imposition on women who DON’T want abortions.
Honestly, it just frightens me. I don’t want to live in a world where the government monitors my uterus and my sex life and my future pregnancy(ies?). I don’t ever want to get an abortion – I’ve decided this, and I stand by it. But I would NEVER take that right away…and I would never give up my rights as a woman to do so.
@suggestivetongue - Suppose that’s probably right. I think I’m going to have to research it, I’m intrigued now!
@suggestivetongue - Here we go!
“Studies have shown that taking the birth control pill affects the
way women’s bodies process alcohol, leading to higher blood alcohol
concentrations (BAC) and intensifying the effects of intoxication.
While alcohol has no direct effect on the birth control pill’s
ability to prevent pregnancy, drinking it can indirectly decrease the
pill’s effectiveness if it interferes with a woman’s ability to take
the pill at approximately the same time each day or if it causes her to
throw-up shortly after taking the pill. In general, alcohol can impair
one’s ability to act prudently, be that responsibly taking daily
medication such as the birth control pill, using a condom to prevent
sexually transmitted infections (STIs), or choosing with whom and in
what ways to become intimate.”
You were right! So maybe birth control affects alcohol – just got it reversed
@whitetrashpoet - You hit it right on!!
Making abortion illegal is not the solution to the underlying problem. The problem is that there are far too many unwanted pregnancies happening out there. Fighting over whether or not abortion should be allowed is a huge waste of time. Why do people get abortions? You guessed it, unwanted pregnancy.
Instead of preventing a solution to the problem, we should be preventing the problem itself. What’s the leading cause for unwanted pregnancies? Unprotected sex. What’s the leading cause for unprotected sex other than alcohol (lord knows we’re never gonna ban drinking)? Lack of education.
How many people here have come across someone who’s thought you can get pregnant from having anal sex? If we don’t educate EVERYONE on the “how to’s” when it comes to sex, this problem will just keep on being a problem.
Ha, I love this. If it’s a crime, shouldn’t it be punishable? And if the best you got for it being illegal is “God’s called me here” then something’s wrong there. That goes for both abortion and gay marriage.
@Intelligence_Acrobat - actually my best friend is a result of failed contraceptive measures, as are 2 of his 3 siblings. Only 1 child out of the 4 was planned. Yes, contraception reduces the chances of inception greatly but it is not foolproof by any means
I ride the fence on this issue… Speaking from more of a common sense standpoint than a religious one, I think that every time a couple has sex they should understand and accept the consequences; we know that one penis plus one vagina equals the possibility of a pregnancy, so, to me, if you’re gonna do it, then you should accept what’s coming, even if you used protection and it failed. You made an adult decision to have sex, so I think you should be adult enough to accept the baby. If you can’t handle a child right now and you know it, then don’t make one. As someone already stated here, the solution isn’t in fixing abortion, it’s in fixing unwanted pregnancies.
On the subject of rape and suchlike, those are traumatizing experiences and I understand that the weight of a child is a lot to bear after experiencing something like that. It is, therefor, a harder call to make. In either case I would strongly recommend that the mother at least considered adoption, but, as the argument stands, it is her choice. I do think that in some circumstances (obviously not in the case of rape) the father should have a say as well, but that’s an argument for another day.
I’m not one to judge those who decide to have abortions, but I just feel that there’s a common sense answer. I’ve been dating my GF for three years now, and we both hold the same opinion; if she were to become pregnant right now, then that would be that, we’d be having a baby. For that reason I’ve been keeping it in my pants because we DON’T want a baby right now and that’s the only method that truly works.
So basically, when it comes down to it, I’m not really up for abortion as a form of birth control; I find that a bit irresponsible and I think there are better alternatives. That being said, I also don’t agree with Obama’s “punished with a child” ideal.
As for the demonstrators… I don’t really think this is a cut and dry, “right or wrong” topic where one side needs to win over the other… I’ve been on the religious side of these arguments before, so I know what it’s like, but the reality is that it simply isn’t as easy as “because God said so.” I respect religious folk for trying to make a difference, but I think they should find a way that’s actually effective… Demonstrating really doesn’t prove anything, it just makes people out to look like annoying assholes, much like the folks in the vid.
Just a few of my thoughts.
@Soul_Pizza - Wow, if only all guys were as responsible as you are. I bet the abortion rate would drop by half over night. Srsly!
Did no one think this through? “Let’s make it illegal!!! WOOO!!!!!” So what if they did make it illegal, and since they love to call it murder, it gets called murder. So then in certain states they government could take your life. Hmm, I think that really solves some problems. As for some of these people that are saying, “nothing should happen to them,” “we should pray for them,” and “I hope they would feel sorry;” so why make it illegal. Pray for the woman get abortions, hope they feel sorry, or just do nothing about it. Same out come and less work for you now. You can put down they sign and go home. Maybe find a new hobby, something more productive that you’ll actually think through. Because I mean really the less people holding up those signs that could potential tramatize a child, and lead to some conversations that no one really wants to have that early, the better. I’m sorry but I’m pro-choice and I’m also pro-not exposing my daughter to gore for the sake of your shock value.
Anyway this video really proves people need to think things out before they go demonstrating in the streets.
Also some of the comments here have been awesome. I could write more in this comment but it’s going to slowly turn into a mini-blog.
One thing I have to add in, as for the abstinence argument. There is more than one reason to have sex. I’m married and I have a 3 year old daughter. I absolutely do not want more children. I use birth control, I set an alarm so I take it at the same time every day. I’m very careful. Though if I would end up pregnant I’d have a choice to make. I’m a little bothered by the idea that just because I don’t think I could emotionally handle another pregnancy (I have some problems) that I should not have sex with my husband until I feel that I am emotionally and financially ready for another child. Not all abortions are coming horny teenagers and that needs to be taken into account.
Abstinence is the only 100% fail safe way to not getting pregnant. I know I’m lucky to be married and to know that an abortion will never be in my plans. I have to trust that the gov’t/society will make the right decision when it comes to abortion. I have a friend with a daughter who was pregnant. The daughter didn’t know she was pregnant. She still had her monthlies. My friend wanted her daughter to have an abortion. Her daughter was 15 and a freshman in high school. Fortunately, her daughter was 5 months pregnant when they found out. An abortion was not an option. My parents talked to me about sex in junior high/high school. I was allowed to ask questions. I believe it is important to have these discussions with your children.
women, their own body; let them choose.
Saying no “you must have this child because you had sex,” is asking for trouble. Who thinks it moral for a preggo 16 year to have a child and drop out of high school? How about an immature single 20 year old clubbing and maybe pulling herself though college? Poor lower class groups in neighborhoods where they can’t afford to bring home a days worth of meal? Or even poor class who already has 4 other kids they can’t afford? Middle class couples recently married who don’t have enough money to pay for a full half years apartmet yet? Couples who work 12 hours a day each, whether they have money or not and know they won’t be home to raise a child or even won’t get more then a few weeks off for maturnaty leave? Working women who don’t have time or energy to care for a baby yet in their lives? Women who find out their child will grow up with various learnig disabilites and sickness?Like down syndrom and other mental retardations? Women who find out they might be fataly ill and won’t live much longer after their child is born? Women who are young enough to still go out and find someone and get a job and finish school and make something of themselves and find out “opps i got pregant”?
In most cases of women who have mentally retared children, those women tend to be the only person who will be there for the child while they grow up, the mother. But guess what happens when the parent dies? Unless they are rich and have a health care taker to take over the child or some family memeber who has decidated their live to caring for this child who never develops enough to care for themsevles, no one is going to look after this person.
Got to love people and their failed sense of logic. Thanks for sharing the vid.
Great video.
And to think, all this time wasted standing on the side of the road with wishy-washy logic they could be taking care of some of the children lost in the Foster Care system.
When all the children HERE NOW are taken care of, then I’ll consider worrying about the ones who aren’t.
I’m no anti-abortion demonstrator but I am against abortion. Some people say a fetus is not human, then what is it? Some people consider it an accident. But isn’t sexual intercourse the process people create other people?
While others use it when they find out the child is not normal and use the reason that ‘they’ll only suffer when they’re older’. Yet we see retarded kids happier than the normal ones.
Why abortion?…
When there are couples and families out there just dying to have children but can’t.
I believe that it should be illegal. It is not even euthanasia, it’s just murder. Put them in correctional facilities on that charge, same for the doctors and their licenses off the window. Somehow this video doesn’t seem to show the people who actually HAS answers to a damn easy question, though.
very interesting. It’s funny how NONE of them thought about it. I would probably stop having sex until marriage if abortion became illegal….hey isn’t that what they are trying to get at??
If abortions were made illegal, I think there should be a fine to pay for getting one. That would be the punishment.
I would ask those anti choicers who say that adoption is a solution to unwanted pregnancy if they themselves are willing to adopt any children. Because who will take care of all of them hm? Children’s homes are quite crowded and it’s not the best way how to raise kids. I can’t imagine where would they go if all the aborted fetuses were forced to be carried to term and born.
Plus of course it doesn’t solve the problem of unwanted pregnancy and birth, which still turn a woman’s life upside down even if she’s not going to raise the child.
I am pro-choice all the way because a fetus has no right to intrude a bodily domain of a woman who doesn’t want it to be in her body and drain it. And I refuse to give a fetus more rights than to a fully developped thinking and feeling person.
@cerebralsailor - The couples that want to adopt are apparently still fewer than there are unwanted children, otherwise why would so many of the children have to stay in the children’s homes till their adulthood and never be adopted in a family?
I and no one of pro-choicers think that abortions are fun and great. but professional and medically relatively safe abortions are the response to the sad reality of our world. If unwanted pregnancies never occured, abortions weren’t needed. But they do occur. And some girls or women truly are desperete and hating their fetus so much that they WILL do anything to get rid of it.
idiots..lol…and have they ever considered pregnancy from raping? should they have the child they never wanted and was laid upon illegally?? should they be punished too? how bout failed contraception? i think its just a moral line you have to draw withing yourself. its not something the goverment can have total control of…its a personal matter.
@cerebralsailor - guess where the correcttional facilities funds are going to come from, tax. guess where the doctors and nurses already on short supply come from? the main hospital..
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there are counselors all ready for this….why pay for more for something thats already there? women getting abortions are already suffering more than they should, with failing contraceptions, rape, and women who just cant afford/not fit to have children why put more pressure on them??i know abortion is a very very difficult decision to do. a fetus is a human, but it would not have any thoughts until they develop a full brain which is pass the 9 months stage. babies brains contain very small amounts of intelligence, theyre intelligence grows as they grow….abortion as a contraception is wrong, but so is taking away someones right to make a CHOICE in their life.
besides, have you ever thought why people think theres a huge rise in abortions? its because theres more people getting pregnant nowadays thinking contraception can protect you from everything, more people registering and making numbers (instead of doing it in the olden days when it was illegal), rape and underaged children making mistakes in an adult world( with more sexual predators around),and women not being properly educated about the facts of contraception and abortions.
@Intelligence_Acrobat - Ok, you want to be condescending. My “wife” was on the pill and I used a condom and yet we have a beautiful 5 year old girl. Or am I lying about that too, cuz, you know us pro-Choicers, bunch of lying bastards.
Let me start by saying I believe Roe V. Wade should be upheld and abortion should remain safe and legal.
I posted this same video a few months back. People in the video say that they hope the woman would repent and that God would be the one to decide what happened to them. Well… isn’t that how it is already? If there is a god and he views abortion as murder, then the woman will already have to deal with her higher power on that issue. Since when do we make laws and then just let the person off with no earthly consequence if they break said law?
If abortion were to ever be made illegal, I imagine it would do so under the idea that it’s the taking of a life. That’s what people are arguing it is, correct? And our punishment for taking of a life is jail, sometimes for a lifetime, and sometimes death. That’s the harsh reality that abortion protestors often don’t understand. Or it just proves that the protestors, for the most part, don’t really think through what they’re asking government to do. Yes people, if you legislate against abortion, and a 13 year old girl goes and gets an abortion, you are then going to have to follow through with the law and throw that girl in jail (or juvenile detention).
@Intelligence_Acrobat - Frankly, this insistence on taking choices away from people befuddles me. You can thank your lucky stars that you have not had to make a tough choice, but not everyone is that lucky. And if you think that most unwanted pregnancies are a result of negligence or promiscuity on the part of the woman, you are dead wrong. Check this out:
http://weblog.xanga.com/windycurls/683270956/how-george-bush-forced-me-to-have-an-abortion.html
I was raised Pro-Life. Throughout most of my life, I believed that abortion should be illegal, for no reason other than “It’s murder.” But people always raised the question “Well, what if some gets raped?” and I can honestly say that I never had a good answer. So for awhile, I thought that abortion should be illegal in the cases of rape or incest. But there’s truly no fool-proof way to prove or disprove a rape charge 100% of the time. So over the last few years, I have come to realize that I am pro-life. My personal opinion is that if you’re having sex, then you should be very aware of the possible consequences and take as much precaution as you can. Honestly, if someoen gets pregnant, whether they were being careful or not, I feel like it’s wrong to just “erase” their mistake. I know plenty of people who have gotten abortions and I don’t think badly of them as people for it. I just feel like it’s irresponsible. Maybe I’m just a bit more conservative then I’d like to admit. But I’ve been guilty of using Plan B. Yeah, it was $60 that I didn’t really have to spend, but as my best friend warned me “Sixty dollars is a hell of a lot cheaper than a college education.” And I certainly could never bring myself to get an abortion. Anyway, I’ll be the first to admit that I’m not educated on the subject. It’s not so much that I think abortion is wrong as I don’t think it’s right. Does that make sense?
How hard is it to say that they should face jail time just like any other murderer? People should think before they go protest. Seriously.
@Intelligence_Acrobat - so what do you do when all of the orphanages fill up because we couldn’t have abortions? let’s just put those babies on the streets to fend for themselves, okay?
@Made2sing4Jesus - I agree…if abortions were made illegal then breaking that law should have a consequence. (I’ll probably get flamed for this) but I think that it should be treated the same as first degree murder and have the repercussions as such. But I also believe that before abortion can be made illegal, we have to have a complete education system in place that will not only educate everyone about all birth control options but all the available options about dealing with an unexpected pregnancy as well.
@blogrog - Would you feel the same way if you were that unborn baby and your mom decided to abort you? I guess it wouldn’t matter what you thought about it because you couldn’t tell anyone.
@Millsanicole - Not everyone who protests abortion lacks a defense, this video only shows a small percentage of those who disagree with abortion. Please do not lump us all in to the same group.
@SnippiesBlog - If it was the woman who made the choice alone, then she is the one who should be punished. If both the woman and the man made the choice to abort, then they both should be punished. There are many times that a woman gets pregnant and then aborts without ever telling the man that a baby was made in the first place. (This happened to my ex with his first wife. The only reason he found that he could have been a father was from his mother in law telling him after the fact).
@Blue_Dragon_Designs - My purpose wasn’t to lump all those against abortion into a defenseless category. I was merely addressing the video which is what this blog was about IMO. I apologize for the confusion.
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@Blue_Dragon_Designs - Well, exactly. That’s one of the reasons why I see speech as a requirement for personhood. If it can’t talk, how can it be considered a person? It hasn’t yet developed one of the main characteristics that set us apart from the dogs and the apes.
This video is just hilarious. I think a lot of people have made great points already- so many of which I agree with. How can you possibly punish a woman who’s had an abortion with something like manslaughter? I mean, really- that’s just flat out stupid. Everyone’s idea of when life begins is different, so how in the world would you regulate a punishment when there’s no science to back it up? Get your religion out of my government already..
This idea of ‘abstinence only’ is ideological at best- we’re human- we’re hard wired to desire sex. I agree that people should be prepared for any outcome, but I also believe that choice should ALWAYS be available too. I couldn’t agree more with all the people who stressed sex education (abstinence only education is bullshit. Period.) and readily available contraception. Parents need to make a more active attempt to inform their children as well- they shouldn’t rely totally on schools or friends to inform their children.
I know as far as my daughter and son are concerned, I fully plan on teaching them all the things I never knew- specifically all the science behind pregnancy. Health class never mentioned that sperm survives 5 days in the uterus after sex- my parents never explained ovulation or how my body worked. I think it’s imparative that we educate our kids about -everything- not just penis+vagina=baby/STD’s.. that was the only formula I was ever given, and there’s SO much more kids need to know. I also plan on showing them both pictures of people with various STD’s (a penis that looks like a cauliflower was enough to make me always pull out a condom and make him put it on)… It’s reality and our kids need to know this isn’t something to take lightly.
@In_Reason_I_Trust - That was a fantastic link- great point.
@Blue_Dragon_Designs - You’re under the assumption that the lump of cells we’re speaking of is a ‘baby’- just because the potential is there doesn’t make it so. Miscarriages happen at every stage of pregnancy, and until it’s viable outside of the womb, I can’t understand how one can claim it’s a ‘baby’… there’s zero viability at these stages, so what’s the difference between ‘God’ choosing to abort it (ie, a miscarriage) and a woman choosing to? Couldn’t she also be doing ‘God’s will’ with her choice? The fact is, religion is not reason, and it’s always flawed because it’s based in nothing but belief. Give facts and others might be more ready to listen.
for anti abortion demonstraitors they dont really seem to know much about the subject
I’ve seen those people standing along the road. Their pictures are so disgusting!!!!!!!
I’m anti-abortion (unless the mother’s life is in danger), but they gave some weird answers.
I will probably be stating the same thing that many others have already stated, but this is how I really feel on the subject. I am not one for abortion, but I am not against it either. I know that if I were to get pregnant from my own fault I would keep the baby, or if I were to get pregnant from rape I would either keep it or put it up for adoption. Also, if my life were in danger due to a pregnancy I would abort it. I don’t believe that every woman should have that same frame of mind, and I don’t think that every woman should be forced to suffer through a pregnancy that wasn’t her fault such as rape, or possible death due to a health problem. Every woman has her reasons for having an abortion, and that is something she must decide for herself, not anyone else. I know a few women who have had abortions because they say they couldn’t afford a baby right now, or they didn’t have the time for one now. I don’t agree with them, but again, its not my decision and I will not try to persuade a woman to think otherwise. My mother told me she had an abortion before I was ever born and I don’t think any less of her. She felt she had to go through with it, and in her mind she made the right decision. It’s a tough decision and, it is a tough thing to deal with after wards.
As for the video, I don’t think it should be made illegal and I don’t think action should be taken at all. I’m sure that if it were to be made illegal that many women will probably be ‘falling down the stairs’, or doing something careless to their bodies to get rid of the baby. Either way, the mother will have to suffer in the end if it is made illegal.
@bethechangeyouwish2see - I never really knew sperm could survive in the uterus for five days. That’s something new I’ve learned. As far as you teaching your children the way you planned out, I think it is very good to do that. A co-worker of mine told me once that she made her two oldest daughters watch her give birth to her fourth child.. Needless to say she scared them a bit, and both of her daughters are a bit more aware of what goes on in birth other than all the happy stuff. Education is way important and when I have children, I plan to teach them everything about it as well, but I don’t think I will scare them the way my co-worker scared her daughters.
Wow. That was quite the video.
Strong beliefs are one thing, but they’re not going to change any minds if they haven’t done the research and thought ahead to what their alternatives would be.
I hard to pick one solid stance and stick to it when there are so many different factors and scenarios.
@blogrog - If speech is a requirment for personhood, where does that leave the deaf or those born with out the ability to speak due to deformities?
@Blue_Dragon_Designs - I’m not sure about the deaf. Some of them can talk. That might be a grey area. But as for deformities, that’s why it’s considered a potential person earlier on. It has the potential for personhood, but no guarantee that it will ever develop all of the essential characteristics.
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wow. This video was interesting. I’m not even going to get into the argument here but wow…
HAHAHAHAHA OMG this was great.
i love the lady at the end who outright stated she wasn’t well informed.
I have a solution! Don’t have sex until you’re ready to accept the consequences. Simple as that.